An Act of Repair
1 2025-08-07T17:50:06+00:00 Jason Higgins b37c4072bc57250df5afb301955a9262a5b86f21 1 2 Ari Sesu Merretazon, interviewed by Jason A. Higgins, January 12, 2023, recorded remotely from Blacksburg, VA. full 2025-08-09T18:53:43+00:00 Jason Higgins b37c4072bc57250df5afb301955a9262a5b86f21This page is referenced by:
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Part 2
The second interview focuses on Merretazon's experiences coming home from Vietnam in the summer of 1968. He plotted the robbery of an armored vehicle transporting more than $300,000 in outdated currency that would be incinerated by the Department of the Treasury. Although no one was injured, Merretazon was sentenced to life at Lorton Reformatory, a federal prison outside of Washington D.C. Reports indicated that Lorton Reformatory consisted of more than 95% Black men.1 But during this time, he found a calling — advocacy for veterans. He organized for education opportunities and self-care programs for incarcerated people and founded the Incarcerated Veterans Assistance Organization. Staffed entirely by incarcerated veterans, the IVAO became the first Veterans Affairs office inside a prison. Their efforts organizing for disability rights and veterans benefits captured the attention of the Washington Post in 1975 and eventually the White House.2 Merretazon met with President Jimmy Carter and later testified on issues facing incarcerated veterans before Congress in 1979.
Coming Home in the Summer of 1968
Higgins: I'm curious about how did the killing of an icon of nonviolence, of civil disobedience -- He was an anti-war activist. He was an organizer against poverty — how did that affect your own ideas about the United States?
Merretazon: Well, you have to go back to the short bit of time, my last six months in the war. That's when the Black soldiers really came together. We really understood, we had a common bond, and we understood what was happening in Vietnam in terms of Black-white relationships. We always received the bad end of the deal. The worst jobs. The last to be promoted. Even in combat, when clearly, it can be seen that you made some heroic act that should have been acknowledged and they just don't do it. They'd give you a little commendation medal and stuff like that, but it had to be very obvious and the Black soldier had to totally put his life on line for the whole period of that particular battle. Look, the Black soldier in Vietnam was very heroic. Don't let anybody tell you that they were not. Some of these . . . Vietnam movies showed them in a cowardly mode, like Platoon. . .
Coming home had that traumatic effect. I understood that DC was on fire. Martin Luther King had got assassinated. Other cities on fire. I knew I needed to take a step back, and I stayed with my mom and dad for 30 days. Then I went and enrolled myself into a computer operating course that flim-flammed me, took my money and ran off. . .Disconnected after the War
We actually disconnected because nobody was talking to me. It was just me and my readjustment issues, which was anger. Anger was not at anybody -- but at the federal government. My anger was because I had to fight two wars in Vietnam. One against the Vietnamese . . . and the racism in the military in Vietnam — All the soldiers who ended up in the stockade in Vietnam at Long Binh Jail. 95 percent of the Long Binh Jail population was Black soldiers. Now, there's something wrong with that. We all knew what was wrong with that. It was the racism in the military. You get the wrong end of the stick. You get the bad end of the deal.
I came home understanding. . . We were going to come back and help our communities out. We used to talk about that. We used to reinforce each other about that. When I saw an opportunity to do that, that's what I did. I got back involved in my community, all the culture — being a descendant of African slaves in the United States. I went to work for the Post Office for a while, and during that dynamic year . . . In my reconnecting with my culture and the community, I saw an opportunity to bring some resources into the community level, that was the Dead Presidents [film] piece.
An Act of RepairHiggins: I want to talk about that a little bit more because in Bloods, it talks about you donated some of the, I think it was $320,000 total that was robbed. What specific organizations did you donate that money to?
Merretazon: Well, there was a Student Medical Center at Howard university. We gave them some money. We gave the Tip of Blackness also money. We gave the Capital East Business Management Associates some money. We was doing those types of things with the resources we had, and then there was just one of the participants decided to just start throwing money anywhere. . . One of the actors on my side of the fence, he started passing money all out in DC, New York, California and all that type of stuff, and that's what led back to our capture and incarceration.
Higgins: Because that's federal money and you're trying to give it back to the community, did you see it. at the time, as an act of reparations?
Merretazon: Yeah. Absolutely. I saw it as an act of repair. The federal government is the major enslaver of descendants of Africans here in the United States. I always been clear about that. I always be in the clear about Blacks and white relationships in this country, and if you're not clear about why you're in the military, you'd never get clear. They promote that there's no races in the military, if it is, low and whatnot, don't believe that. Government developed a system around it where those below the command can still engage in those type of relationships. Denied promotion, denying of good jobs or in the military or what is it? MOS's and that type of thing, promotions.
My whole thing was I'm ready to go back into the workplace now. I enrolled in school, got hired at the Post Office, and I'm socializing with people at the Post Office. I come to find out what's going on. I understood what was going on. I thought I could make it happen — get all the resources to come back to our community, and I did without putting anybody's life in danger. It had high social community notoriety about the crime. It was a lot of publicity. . . . Nobody's life was put in danger. The guard and the driver of the truck, they said they'd never feared anything.
Hollywood PortrayalHiggins: It's been awhile since I've seen the Hollywood version of that story, but it doesn't seem to fit what you're talking.
Merretazon: It doesn't fit. Look when I went out to Hollywood to the producer's premier, where all the producers come together and watch the movie and make comments, whatever, I stood up, I said, 'That's not my story.' I told him, it's not my story. They told me, 'we said it's loosely based on your story.' That's how it went down. I took my position on that and they took theirs, and we got along. I got paid. Obviously, they made a pay of $20 million off the movie and maybe more now because it's still out there.
Higgins: For someone who's trying to understand the struggles of Black Vietnam veterans, how would you explain that difference between how Hollywood portrays it versus reality?
Merretazon: Well, you see Hollywood usually, very rarely show and depict Blacks in leadership in the military in those movies. They either make a squad leader, some lower level like that, down on the ground type folks. Even there, there is really no real Black leadership is allowed.That type of thing just connected me with my readjustment problems because I came back home angry. I was angry when I came home. Based on what I understood was happening . . . and I said, 'I've got to do something.' I just didn't feel right, having that presence again in my community and not doing anything. Because in Vietnam, where we came out in the field, the Blacks talked about what we would do when he came home. I was committed to that, and I did something, and I was going to go out and let them know that did my piece. I did that to a certain degree in terms of connecting with a few of the veterans that came home with me.The Trial
Higgins: Let's talk about from the trial until your incarceration. What was that experience like for you?
Merretazon: Well, I tried, I didn't testify. I didn't get on the stand. None of us got on the stand and the law's basic issue was to distinguish what extra crime was committed, whether or not it was an armed robbery or just a mail robbery. Because the sentence structure is different for both. For mail robbery, which we actually did. . . That was a mandatory five years. You couldn't get no more than five, but you had to get five. They knew the crime got a lot of publicity . . .
The courts decided they're going to make an example of us and gave me 10-30 years. . . . I realized that it was a losing battle for me to continue to go up against that system as one individual, because I protested and everything as an individual. I wasn't cooperating with none of the system. . . . I stayed in the hole [solitary confinement] for quite awhile, in and out. I wouldn't work. They finally decide and say, ' . . . this is a veteran and so we got to be a little sensitive with him."
When I came back out of maximum security the last time, instead of putting me into one of their regular jobs . . . I was able to manipulate the situation where I end up just being a custodian around the main office of the prison. I would just sweep up . . . I loved that because it gave me all my independence. That took 30 minutes. My time was totally mine from that point on in that incarcerated environment. That's what every man in prison wants: being able to have his own independent space, and time, and not be hounded into working. . . There is no law that required us to work while incarcerated. At least it wasn't in DC. I say, 'look, I don't have to work.' Okay, I came here to do my time. That's the attitude I had for a while.Organizing Veterans in Prison
Higgins: What prison were you incarcerated in?
Merretazon: D.C. Department of Correction. It had a facility outside of D.C., about 26 miles outside of D.C. called Lorton Reformatory, the infamous Lorton Reformatory. It's no longer existing. It was crazy. . . It was like 26 miles from DC, and so it's closer to home than most prisons.
The last time I went to the hole, it dawned on me my status of being an honorably-discharged veteran, and that I could use that to organize around, and they would have to respect my organizing. I organized around Veterans Affairs in prison . . . called Incarcerated Veterans Assistance Organization.
Higgins: Quick a follow-up question, Ari. I'm really interested in the effects of solitary confinement on human beings. But it seems to me that if you're dealing with undiagnosed trauma, and PTSD, you had that stemmed from the Vietnam War, that would be especially hard to deal with. How did you survive or cope with a year-and-a-half in the hole?
Merretazon: That's over different time frames of that five years. . . Total, a year-and-a-half in the hole. It's about 30 days, 60 days, 90 days. There was a rare amount. That's been about over the five years, probably about a year and a half in the hole. I realized I was working against myself.
When I came back up to the general population, I realized there was other Vietnam veterans. Twenty-five percent of Lorton Reformatory were veterans. I decided to organize — and that's in my blood — and so I organized them into what we call the Incarcerated Veteran Assistance Organization, and it was approved by the VA. We had an office approved by the VA inside the prison. For that development, I was acknowledged at the White House by Jimmy Carter. . . That type of commitment to veterans that I had [was because] we went to war together. Anytime you go to war with somebody, and they're on your side, and you all survive, there's a very close blood, love, bond. That's what happened — That's what blood love is all about in the war. You're willing to die for the man next to you. Simple as that.Full Interview Part 2